Mar 01 17:44:10 joepie91: Did my email hit you? Mar 01 17:44:11 theres no a Mar 01 17:44:17 DA FUQ Mar 01 17:44:20 lol Mar 01 17:44:23 lel Mar 01 17:44:29 whats lel? Mar 01 17:44:36 what's it look like Mar 01 17:44:43 looks gay Mar 01 17:44:54 * lady-3jane proceeds to beat you with dick Mar 01 17:45:11 I prefer my dicks flaccid Mar 01 17:45:19 It is, that's why it stings Mar 01 17:45:40 Divinite: it just arrived in spam Mar 01 17:46:10 also, your description seems like much more than 80 words Mar 01 17:46:17 aaaaaand mardock scramble part 2 is up Mar 01 17:46:20 fuck yeah Mar 01 17:46:27 * lady-3jane sets existing data to seed Mar 01 17:46:43 I love seeing a torrent site repopulate Mar 01 17:46:48 best fucking thing Mar 01 17:47:36 also Mar 01 17:47:37 divinite Mar 01 17:47:40 We will use high end encryption and military grade firewalls to keep you safe, without the huge price tag. Mar 01 17:47:43 this sounds bleh Mar 01 17:48:26 'high end encryption' and 'military grade firewalls' just sounds far too buzzwordy Mar 01 17:48:35 'strong encryption' is much more sensible Mar 01 17:48:47 Can you please change it then? Mar 01 17:48:50 high grade or strong Mar 01 17:49:00 Wait Mar 01 17:49:01 no Mar 01 17:49:05 I changed that line Mar 01 17:49:13 joepie91: CHECK YOUR EMAIL Mar 01 17:49:51 Divinite Mar 01 17:49:53 also, your description seems like much more than 80 words Mar 01 17:50:45 also Mar 01 17:50:46 We will use high end encryption like ecdhe-224 and GOST to secure your connections and secured firewalls to keep you safe and happy. Mar 01 17:50:50 same issues remain Mar 01 17:51:34 AHHH Mar 01 17:51:39 JUST EDIT THE THING Mar 01 17:51:40 I SUCK Mar 01 17:51:41 LOL Mar 01 17:51:42 also, GOST? Mar 01 17:51:50 Yeah, was used by Soviets Mar 01 17:51:50 Divinite: it's not quite clear to me what it is Mar 01 17:51:53 .. Mar 01 17:52:20 GOST (Russian: Ð?Ð?СТ) refers to a set of technical standards maintained by the Euro-Asian Council for Standardization, Metrology and Certification (EASC), a regional standards organization operating under the auspices of the Commonwealth of Independent States (CIS). Mar 01 17:52:20 All sorts of regulated standards are included, with examples ranging from charting rules for design documentation to recipes and nutritional facts of Soviet-era brand names (which have now become generic, but may only be sold under the label if the technical standard is followed, or renamed if they are reformulated). Mar 01 17:52:23 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GOST_(block_cipher) Mar 01 17:52:27 ^that one Mar 01 17:53:29 Divinite, questions: Mar 01 17:53:30 And that moment Mar 01 17:53:32 where I realise Mar 01 17:53:34 that was the wrong one Mar 01 17:53:35 1. how is this different from a free VPN Mar 01 17:53:41 2. why are you using GOST Mar 01 17:53:48 instead of more common algos Mar 01 17:54:45 1) we do not monitor, and it is not In -> Server -> Out Mar 01 17:55:05 reality is that your promise that you "do not monitor" isn't worth squat Mar 01 17:55:11 It is In (encrypt) -> Server -> Server Mar 01 17:55:13 nor is anyone elses promise Mar 01 17:55:16 -> out Mar 01 17:55:24 okay, so? Mar 01 17:55:32 And Gost Mar 01 17:55:34 was a mistake Mar 01 17:55:49 AES is probably better Mar 01 17:56:17 Rijndael Mar 01 17:56:22 Whatever Mar 01 17:56:25 you want to call it Mar 01 17:56:40 one's an encryption algo, one is a person Mar 01 17:57:23 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rijndael Mar 01 17:57:37 Both look like the same thing to me Mar 01 17:57:44 I use 2048RSA with 128AES Mar 01 17:57:48 so, Divinite Mar 01 17:57:50 which is pretty stockstandard Mar 01 17:57:52 what is the difference between your idea Mar 01 17:57:54 and any free VPN Mar 01 17:58:05 clearly "no logging" is not a valid thing to name Mar 01 17:58:11 but a higher bitrate for the AES would not be a bad idea Mar 01 17:58:12 because you have zero guarantee that that is indeed the case Mar 01 17:58:17 Allll day it's been updates and touchups Mar 01 17:58:35 oh rijmen is the person Mar 01 17:58:51 waiting for the last update to upload and then I be workin alllll night Mar 01 17:58:54 XD Mar 01 17:59:06 Hows your day been everyone? Mar 01 17:59:09 joepie91: All will be explained Mar 01 17:59:18 At a later time Mar 01 17:59:24 Divinite: no, explain it now Mar 01 17:59:26 No Mar 01 17:59:30 I am not doing it over IRC Mar 01 17:59:38 Divinite: then I can only interpret that as one thing Mar 01 17:59:39 I will make diagrams Mar 01 17:59:44 I have 4096bit rsa :> Mar 01 17:59:50 Write other documentations Mar 01 17:59:54 "I dont really have any idea what I am doing, and I am trying to buy time" Mar 01 17:59:55 And put it on a site Mar 01 18:00:06 whiiiiich is why I tell it to prio ecdhe over all others cause it's so much faster haha Mar 01 18:00:18 joepie91: Seriously. You interpret everyone else as out to get you Mar 01 18:00:19 okay, Divinite, look at this from my perspective for a moment Mar 01 18:00:19 otherwise my shitty 1.8ghz cpu would lulz at opening connections Mar 01 18:00:21 no Mar 01 18:00:23 listen Mar 01 18:00:25 and try to see my perspective Mar 01 18:00:32 Which is? Mar 01 18:00:40 if you let me finish, you would know Mar 01 18:00:46 I am talking to someone that claims to provide a secure way of bypassing filters Mar 01 18:00:57 yet that person fails to understand that having to trust someones promise is a basic violation of said security Mar 01 18:01:03 and when asked to explain the difference between their idea Mar 01 18:01:06 and existing ideas Mar 01 18:01:11 nothing of substance comes out Mar 01 18:01:26 to me, that seems like you're trying to save face by claiming you have a grand plan that you will reveal later Mar 01 18:01:26 I'm not out there to 'redefine' the VPN Mar 01 18:01:32 because someone (me) just broke down your list of 'advantages' Mar 01 18:01:36 We are working on existing concepts Mar 01 18:01:38 by pointing out they are false Mar 01 18:01:43 Divinite: you are not responding to what I'm saying Mar 01 18:01:49 don't talk around it Mar 01 18:02:15 joepie91: Facts: I am merely giving you a tiny description. Mar 01 18:02:20 not only are you not responding to what I'm saying, you didn't even wait for me to finish Mar 01 18:02:24 If you don't like it Mar 01 18:02:24 so clearly you have no interest in what I have to say Mar 01 18:02:26 GTFO Mar 01 18:02:31 Divinite: nop Mar 01 18:02:36 no * Mar 01 18:02:36 you claim privacy Mar 01 18:02:38 He's been like this ever since he lost the philosophy argument with me a month ago. Mar 01 18:02:40 everything points towards doing the opposite Mar 01 18:02:50 wh1t3r4bb1t: I agree Mar 01 18:02:51 Divinite: I care more about keeping others secure, than about keeping you friendly Mar 01 18:03:00 Divinite: hes right, there is very little difference between your service and a VPN Mar 01 18:03:02 if that means I have to bitch at you to make sure noone's put in danger Mar 01 18:03:03 joepie91: Security is an illusion Mar 01 18:03:03 then so be it Mar 01 18:03:09 Divinite: then stop setting up a VPN right now Mar 01 18:03:20 because you have absolutely no business in the privacy/security area Mar 01 18:03:24 joepie91: You cannot stop me from doing it Mar 01 18:03:32 you sure about that? Mar 01 18:03:32 You're just some guy Mar 01 18:03:35 and as far as I can see Mar 01 18:03:44 You just like shitting on other people's ideas Mar 01 18:03:52 Lol Mar 01 18:03:55 Divinite: don't try to deflect this to me personally Mar 01 18:04:05 I don't care that you're butthurt about someone criticizing your precious idea Mar 01 18:04:08 Like when he told me to stop mining bitcoins Mar 01 18:04:10 you are promising privacy and security Mar 01 18:04:17 you cannot deliver it Mar 01 18:04:20 I will point it out Mar 01 18:04:22 simple as that Mar 01 18:04:26 I am not going to get angry over this Mar 01 18:04:29 I will NOT put people at risk to prevent you bitching at me Mar 01 18:04:35 Divinite: good, so fix your fucking shit Mar 01 18:04:38 instead of bitching at me Mar 01 18:04:41 So yeah Mar 01 18:04:45 I am ignoring him Mar 01 18:04:48 lmfao Mar 01 18:05:09 This is insanity Mar 01 18:05:10 if you cannot motivate what the differences are between your thing and a VPN, then reality is that you just have no fucking idea what you are doing AND YOU WILL PUT PEOPLE AT RISK IN THE PROCESS Mar 01 18:05:14 that is unacceptable Mar 01 18:05:17 Sure is Mar 01 18:05:36 I understand why you quit Mar 01 18:05:42 Earlier Mar 01 18:05:43 joepie91: I have a pretty good idea as to what the system is Mar 01 18:05:45 Anyone want to join my bitcoin mining pool? Mar 01 18:05:51 nope Mar 01 18:05:55 LOL- If I had a good enough computer Mar 01 18:05:58 haha Mar 01 18:06:05 its a VPN, with an emphasis of being able to operate behind firewalls and restricted networks Mar 01 18:06:09 basically Mar 01 18:06:13 ^that Mar 01 18:06:24 but he shouldn't advertise privacy and security if he's unable to deliver Mar 01 18:06:34 which is exactly my point Mar 01 18:06:36 * ebola (ebola@cryto-2A0364D3.ighost.se) has joined #crytocc Mar 01 18:06:40 that's still a good point, no matter what way you cut it Mar 01 18:06:55 so, let's go back in the conversation for a moment Mar 01 18:06:59 vpn is vpn, put your log policy up on the site whatever Mar 01 18:07:00 its a VPN, with an emphasis of being able to operate behind firewalls and restricted networks Mar 01 18:07:00 basically Mar 01 18:07:00 ^that Mar 01 18:07:01 What do you mean "unable to deliver" Mar 01 18:07:03 Divinite has just confirmed that it is a VPN Mar 01 18:07:09 I am making it open source Mar 01 18:07:16 so you're using openvpn? Mar 01 18:07:23 Nope Mar 01 18:07:30 whereas earlier on, when I asked about the differences between a VPN and what Divinite was working on, Divinite was still being all mysterious, implying some grand plan that would be published later Mar 01 18:07:31 All written from the bottom up Mar 01 18:07:34 and I called Divinite out on it Mar 01 18:07:37 how will the public audit your policies? Mar 01 18:07:37 and GUESS FUCKING WHAT Mar 01 18:07:45 Divinite was indeed talking around it Mar 01 18:07:46 Read the code Mar 01 18:07:48 Read the TOS Mar 01 18:07:49 not the software, the policies Mar 01 18:07:51 Read the AUP Mar 01 18:08:01 Read the random stuff that lawyers put up Mar 01 18:08:01 how will it be audited that you're following them? Mar 01 18:08:06 Divinite: you do not understand even the fucking basics of privacy and security Mar 01 18:08:14 I have tried to explain them Mar 01 18:08:15 you are ignoring them Mar 01 18:08:19 or rather Mar 01 18:08:21 How can we audit that others are following them? Mar 01 18:08:22 you are ignoring the entire topic Mar 01 18:08:29 and probably me entirely, now Mar 01 18:08:47 Divinite:) that's precisely the reason I don't use vpn's from other people, I can't Mar 01 18:08:48 But yeah Mar 01 18:08:54 This is not for people Mar 01 18:08:57 I guarantee 100% security. Mar 01 18:08:58 who are PARANOID Mar 01 18:09:07 this is for students Mar 01 18:09:07 wh1t3r4bb1t:) gimme shell Mar 01 18:09:08 sigh, apparently I really have to do this Mar 01 18:09:09 fine then Mar 01 18:09:09 But you have to pay a premium. Mar 01 18:09:16 * `\ (~user@cryto-A6766B2C.direct-adsl.nl) has joined #crytocc Mar 01 18:09:19 <`\> okay Mar 01 18:09:20 <`\> so Mar 01 18:09:21 <`\> Divinite Mar 01 18:09:27 <`\> since you are apparently ignoring my other nick Mar 01 18:09:31 Do I have to do other ignores Mar 01 18:09:33 WOW Mar 01 18:09:36 <`\> reality is that with a VPN, you CANNOT audit the VPN provider Mar 01 18:09:40 lady-3jane what shell? Mar 01 18:09:41 Yes Mar 01 18:09:44 <`\> you CANNOT provide that privacy that you claim to provide Mar 01 18:09:49 <`\> so don't fucking claim it Mar 01 18:09:52 this is not for crazy paranoid people like you Mar 01 18:09:57 wh1t3r4bb1t:) I dunno you offered 100% security, so I want shell Mar 01 18:09:58 <`\> Divinite: paranoid? Mar 01 18:10:02 Yep Mar 01 18:10:04 <`\> you think 'real security' is paranoid? Mar 01 18:10:06 This is for the poor student Mar 01 18:10:08 <`\> are you out of your fucking mind? Mar 01 18:10:09 <`\> good Mar 01 18:10:13 <`\> then don't claim privacy Mar 01 18:10:14 Not for you Mar 01 18:10:17 Hey Mar 01 18:10:19 <`\> <`\>then don't claim privacy Mar 01 18:10:22 I run stuff for poor students >_> Mar 01 18:10:23 it's marketing speak Mar 01 18:10:24 <`\> if it's not for the paranoid, then don't claim privacy Mar 01 18:10:27 <`\> marketing speak? Mar 01 18:10:29 <`\> please fuck off Mar 01 18:10:37 <`\> you are EXTREMELY low if you put people at risk for 'marketing speak' Mar 01 18:10:37 Nah Mar 01 18:10:40 I'm fine thanks Mar 01 18:10:44 So you can GTFO Mar 01 18:10:48 I do not need your ideas Mar 01 18:10:52 If you do not like it Mar 01 18:10:55 Then do not use it Mar 01 18:10:57 SIMPLE Mar 01 18:11:05 All my services are for poor students :D We don't even promise uptime! Mar 01 18:11:09 <`\> you still don't get ito, do you? Mar 01 18:11:14 <`\> Divinite: YOU ARE PUTTING OTHER PEOPLE AT RISK Mar 01 18:11:18 <`\> PEOPLE THAT DO NOT KNOW THESE THINGS Mar 01 18:11:24 <`\> I don't fucking care about myself Mar 01 18:11:26 <`\> I care about other people Mar 01 18:11:27 Divinite: joepie91 is trying to say that the level of security you are promising is misleading. Reword your description. Mar 01 18:11:30 <`\> that are going to be royally fucked over Mar 01 18:11:30 WELL I'LL PUT IT BIG CAPITAL LETTERS Mar 01 18:11:32 <`\> because you felt the need Mar 01 18:11:35 <`\> to fucking market your shit Mar 01 18:11:38 <`\> with false fucking promises Mar 01 18:11:45 DO NOT FUCKING USE THIS IF YOU FUCKING LIKE YOUR SECURITY Mar 01 18:11:49 Better? Mar 01 18:11:56 <`\> Divinite: DON'T FUCKING CLAIM SECURITY IF IT ISN'T FUCKING THERE Mar 01 18:11:58 Reword your description. Mar 01 18:11:58 I am not marketing Mar 01 18:11:59 this is free Mar 01 18:12:01 FREE Mar 01 18:12:03 <`\> YOU are the one at fault here Mar 01 18:12:05 Reword your description. Mar 01 18:12:09 <`\> by promising shit you cannot deliver Mar 01 18:12:11 Fuck you Mar 01 18:12:17 I am not using your shitty services Mar 01 18:12:25 <`\> I am not marketing Mar 01 18:12:25 <`\> it's marketing speak Mar 01 18:12:26 You can go sputter and die Mar 01 18:12:37 <`\> stop trying to save your fucking ass Mar 01 18:12:37 lady-3jane I can give you egg shell :P Mar 01 18:12:42 okay, everyone calm down Mar 01 18:12:43 Ignored Mar 01 18:12:55 twitchyliquid64: I am Mar 01 18:12:57 wh1t3r4bb1t:) eggdrop or food Mar 01 18:13:02 Divinite: no your not Mar 01 18:13:05 wh1t3r4bb1t:) or eggdrop food Mar 01 18:13:06 I'm just going to keep ignoring him Mar 01 18:13:10 Im looking in your window Mar 01 18:13:11 He just feels the need Mar 01 18:13:13 your not calm Mar 01 18:13:14 to go crazy Mar 01 18:13:14 lol Mar 01 18:13:18 I am very calm Mar 01 18:13:23 I am eating a salad Mar 01 18:13:26 :D Mar 01 18:13:32 ew Mar 01 18:13:34 * joepie91 has kicked Divinite from #crytocc (I have no interest in participation of people that cannot respect the security and privacy of others) Mar 01 18:13:44 * pzuraq (pzuraq@cryto-78DF0B68.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) has joined #crytocc Mar 01 18:13:46 that's fucking it Mar 01 18:13:48 yeah okay Mar 01 18:13:55 Dude Mar 01 18:14:07 joepie91 you are way beyond out of line Mar 01 18:14:10 first time ive ever seen you do that D: Mar 01 18:14:11 if she feels the need to fucking LAUGH about compromising other peoples security and privacy Mar 01 18:14:13 then fuck her Mar 01 18:14:16 but whatever it's your channel Mar 01 18:14:19 your server Mar 01 18:14:20 twitchyliquid64: and for good reason Mar 01 18:14:21 joepie91: i did :D Mar 01 18:14:33 I will not have her put people at risk if I can help it Mar 01 18:14:48 if people are so disrespectful of others privacy and security Mar 01 18:14:50 Though I'm not sure about following policies of the network, in any other case it's deserved Mar 01 18:14:51 they have absolutely no business being here Mar 01 18:15:34 joepie91 you need to relax Mar 01 18:15:44 it doesn't directly effect you Mar 01 18:15:47 wh1t3r4bb1t:) shhh, he was a little angry but quite on point Mar 01 18:16:04 wh1t3r4bb1t: you still don't understand it, do you? Mar 01 18:16:07 and getting worked up trying to change things you have zero control over is a waste or energy Mar 01 18:16:10 wh1t3r4bb1t:) it has the potential to harm thousands of others Mar 01 18:16:11 I am not an asshole that only cares about himself Mar 01 18:16:21 maybe you should consider that for a moment Mar 01 18:16:29 whether it directly affects me is entirely irrelevant Mar 01 18:16:56 wh1t3r4bb1t: do you realize that this kind of shit is what gets people arrested and jailed? Mar 01 18:17:03 I agree with you joepie91 Mar 01 18:17:04 killed in the middle east Mar 01 18:17:08 people that have either malicious intentions or just no fucking idea what they're doing Mar 01 18:17:14 still dont believe that kicking was the best course of action Mar 01 18:17:15 running services for 'security and privacy' Mar 01 18:17:21 What gets people jailed? setting up vpns? Mar 01 18:17:23 this is not a game, wh1t3r4bb1t Mar 01 18:17:29 this affects real people Mar 01 18:17:30 wh1t3r4bb1t:) privacy and security leaks Mar 01 18:17:33 this can destroy peoples lives Mar 01 18:17:40 I WILL NOT tolerate someone doing that here Mar 01 18:17:41 period Mar 01 18:18:04 * wh1t3r4bb1t shrugs Mar 01 18:18:07 IDK Mar 01 18:18:26 I need to check on my updates and go back to work Mar 01 18:18:31 joepie91: I would look at things differently Mar 01 18:18:45 See ya in little while guys Mar 01 18:19:01 I completely understand where joe's coming from Mar 01 18:19:15 At least if its here, others who know what their doing can provide a more balanced perspective Mar 01 18:19:20 I see it differently than him, but it's due to my biases Mar 01 18:19:26 but now she will just go onto other chatrooms Mar 01 18:19:33 twitchyliquid64: that would be a valid argument, IF Divinite were open to any form of criticism Mar 01 18:19:34 I do but I still think trying to force others to be like you is futile Mar 01 18:19:36 I see it as people with money and privilege not valuing others lives Mar 01 18:19:39 instead, she laughs off every argument that is made Mar 01 18:19:40 bbl Mar 01 18:19:59 in practice, it really makes no difference whether she's talking here or elsewhere Mar 01 18:20:05 because regardless of whether people criticize it or not Mar 01 18:20:07 she will ignore it anyway Mar 01 18:20:52 joepie91: Ill audit the code when shes done Mar 01 18:21:11 auditing the code is near pointless Mar 01 18:21:23 the problem is with the inability of her model to deliver her claims Mar 01 18:22:48 She wants logs of the last 20 minutes, objections to passing them? Mar 01 18:22:54 the only ways to fix this are either changing the model (hard and unlikely to happen) or changing the claims (which she has clearly expressed she has no interest in doing) Mar 01 18:22:58 lady-3jane: Mar 01 18:23:00 loggy, pointer Mar 01 18:23:04 wat Mar 01 18:23:06 WHERE IS LOGGY Mar 01 18:23:08 it's not been here since the 28th Mar 01 18:23:11 ;_; Mar 01 18:23:13 why did noone tell me Mar 01 18:23:13 when the network was unstable Mar 01 18:23:20 I only noticed it an hour ago Mar 01 18:23:25 :/ Mar 01 18:23:29 anyway, feel free to pass on logs Mar 01 18:23:31 and I'm not keen on logbots, so I won't ever say anything Mar 01 18:23:34 if possible, could you also give them to me? Mar 01 18:23:37 sure Mar 01 18:23:53 * loggy (loggy@5C4B2CE4.B8E60B3B.FD9B6484.IP) has joined #crytocc