**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Mar 1 16:54:24 2013 Mar 01 16:54:24 * Now talking on #cryto Mar 01 16:54:24 * Topic for #cryto is: suck my cock bitches Mar 01 16:54:24 * Topic for #cryto set by Cryto215 at Thu Feb 21 05:58:11 2013 Mar 01 17:20:44 * joepie96 has quit (Ping timeout) Mar 01 17:21:11 * joepie96 (joepie91@cryto-A6766B2C.direct-adsl.nl) has joined #cryto Mar 01 18:14:14 * Divinite (root@Divinite.users.cryto) has joined #cryto Mar 01 18:14:22 Oh look Mar 01 18:14:30 the little boy lost his temper Mar 01 18:14:37 I feel for you. Really. Mar 01 18:14:48 It must be so hard to do anything around you. Mar 01 18:15:10 Plus, you're still ignored Mar 01 18:17:35 loggy, pointer? Mar 01 18:18:08 Divinite:) loggy hasn't been here since the net instability two days ago Mar 01 18:18:28 Oh Mar 01 18:20:17 lady-3jane: Can I PM you? Mar 01 18:20:32 That depends on what you want to say Mar 01 18:20:53 Choose your words carefully :) Mar 01 18:42:40 joepie91: Just so you know Mar 01 18:42:46 That was way out of line Mar 01 18:43:11 Divinite: still ignoring me? Mar 01 18:43:18 So yeah, if anyone wants to talk to me Mar 01 18:43:24 joepie91: Not any more Mar 01 18:43:27 good. Mar 01 18:43:36 PM me, because I will not be here Mar 01 18:43:48 you realize that by laughing at other peoples security and privacy and ignoring me, you leave me no choice but to kick you out? Mar 01 18:43:52 since you are making conversation impossible Mar 01 18:44:01 Laughing? Mar 01 18:44:02 Right Mar 01 18:44:10 You do realise this is like a spongy ball Mar 01 18:44:10 yes, laughing Mar 01 18:44:15 An idea Mar 01 18:44:16 I'll gladly quote the relevant bit Mar 01 18:44:18 being kicked around Mar 01 18:44:28 What we HOPE it will be Mar 01 18:44:34 is not always what it will be Mar 01 18:44:39 I'm just going to keep ignoring him Mar 01 18:44:39 He just feels the need Mar 01 18:44:39 to go crazy Mar 01 18:44:39 lol Mar 01 18:44:40 this is what you fail to understand Mar 01 18:44:44 there you go Mar 01 18:44:54 you are ridiculing the one guy that is trying to make clear to you some serious issues in your idea Mar 01 18:45:11 What we HOPE it will be Mar 01 18:45:11 is not always what it will be Mar 01 18:45:13 You do Mar 01 18:45:15 then don't claim that it is Mar 01 18:45:20 You must realise Mar 01 18:45:25 you are not kicked out for lack of 100% privacy guarantee Mar 01 18:45:30 That I have a near zero-tolerance Mar 01 18:45:33 for people like you Mar 01 18:45:33 you are kicked out for promising something you cannot deliver Mar 01 18:45:36 and you are not reading what I am saying Mar 01 18:45:38 Right... Mar 01 18:45:48 if you cannot deliver 100% privacy guarantee, then don't promise it Mar 01 18:45:51 simple as that Mar 01 18:45:52 I seriously hope you give admin of the crytocc IRC server Mar 01 18:45:54 to someone else Mar 01 18:45:59 I did not promise it Mar 01 18:46:03 Quote me that Mar 01 18:46:07 still promising it, is blatantly non-caring about risks of others Mar 01 18:46:13 oh, one moment Mar 01 18:46:14 Promising? Mar 01 18:46:24 I do not see the word "promise" in there Mar 01 18:46:50 It was in the message you pasted here... the webpage text Mar 01 18:46:53 Anyway Mar 01 18:47:01 <`\>you CANNOT provide that privacy that you claim to provide Mar 01 18:47:02 <`\>so don't fucking claim it Mar 01 18:47:02 this is not for crazy paranoid people like you Mar 01 18:47:02 <`\>good Mar 01 18:47:02 <`\>then don't claim privacy Mar 01 18:47:02 Hey Mar 01 18:47:02 it's marketing speak Mar 01 18:47:02 I'm fine thanks Mar 01 18:47:02 So you can GTFO Mar 01 18:47:02 I do not need your ideas Mar 01 18:47:02 there you go Mar 01 18:47:10 Yea Mar 01 18:47:15 and where is the quote Mar 01 18:47:18 of where I said Mar 01 18:47:27 promise? Mar 01 18:47:29 * lady-3jane continues to point at marketing text Mar 01 18:47:38 Description: Mar 01 18:47:38 Have you ever been stuck behind a filter or a firewall before? Does your school, workplace, ISP or government feel the need to be "Big Brother"? Do you feel you need privacy in that free cafe, restaurant or street wifi? Mar 01 18:47:42 I know I have. Mar 01 18:47:44 But most of the ways to protect myself cost money, don't they? I myself have paid a lot for my privacy. And let's be honest, privacy should be FREE. With no advertisements, no logging and no risks. Mar 01 18:47:49 That's why my team are working on a project to keep you safe on the internet, but without the slowness of TOR or I2P, or the price tag of a VPN. (Seriously, we don't want to play games, surf the internet or talk on IRC with such a huge ping, and slow download speeds that you just give up and go unprotected!) Mar 01 18:47:53 Divinite: would you mind telling me where I claimed you explicitly used the word 'promise'? Mar 01 18:47:54 We will use high end encryption like ecdhe-224 and GOST to secure your connections and secured firewalls to keep you safe and happy. Mar 01 18:47:57 Nope Mar 01 18:47:58 you're expecting me to back up a claim I didn't make Mar 01 18:48:00 no promise in there Mar 01 18:48:00 ahh there we go, beautiful. Mar 01 18:48:02 As a matter of fact Mar 01 18:48:05 the original Mar 01 18:48:07 had nothing Mar 01 18:48:10 Divinite: I told you that you WERE promising it Mar 01 18:48:15 not that you were SAYING it was a promise Mar 01 18:48:16 22:16 < joepie91> you are kicked out for promising something you cannot deliver Mar 01 18:48:29 But most of the ways to protect myself cost money, don't they? I myself have paid a lot for my privacy. And let's be honest, privacy should be FREE. With no advertisements, no logging and no risks. Mar 01 18:48:29 That's why my team are working on a project to keep you safe on the internet, but without the slowness of TOR or I2P, or the price tag of a VPN. (Seriously, we don't want to play games, surf the internet or talk on IRC with such a huge ping, and slow download speeds that you just give up and go unprotected!) Mar 01 18:48:33 22:16 < joepie91> if you cannot deliver 100% privacy guarantee, then don't promise it Mar 01 18:48:37 Divinite: you're just playing dumb now Mar 01 18:48:45 the 'promising' is an act you were doing Mar 01 18:48:46 see above Mar 01 18:48:46 I did not claim 100% guarentee Mar 01 18:48:54 Divinite: yet your text implies it Mar 01 18:48:57 and when confronted with it Mar 01 18:48:58 Just because it isn't spelled out doesn't mean it isn't there Mar 01 18:48:59 Well Mar 01 18:49:00 you derp about marketing text Mar 01 18:49:02 and refuse to amend it Mar 01 18:49:16 joepie91: It's your problem Mar 01 18:49:25 because apparently you care more about sounding good, than about not making false promises Mar 01 18:49:25 If you think there is a problem with it Mar 01 18:49:33 Divinite: no, it's the problem of all the people that will be fucked over by your attitude Mar 01 18:49:46 And.. he's ignored. Again. Mar 01 18:49:46 when will you realize this Mar 01 18:49:49 see/ Mar 01 18:49:51 this is what I mean Mar 01 18:50:21 Eh Mar 01 18:50:24 that's better Mar 01 18:50:50 Divinite:) take out all instances of things like privacy, safe, security, etc. Those words being present, even in your short story, will lead people to believe those things about your service. Mar 01 18:51:08 If they're not going to be true, don't include them. Mar 01 18:51:13 lady-3jane: As I have told twitchyliquid64 Mar 01 18:51:26 Essentially, that's what he's suggesting (assuming no change to your service) Mar 01 18:51:50 21:57 Yeah Mar 01 18:51:51 21:57 I will warn the user Mar 01 18:51:51 21:57 when they access the site Mar 01 18:51:51 21:57 when they download Mar 01 18:51:51 21:57 and when it is installing Mar 01 18:51:51 21:57 as well as during run Mar 01 18:51:55 assuming a change to your service, it sounds like you'd have to re-architect it in some way to guaruntee either of those, let alone both of those ideals Mar 01 18:52:20 That's putting up paper placards though :/ Mar 01 18:52:33 Look Mar 01 18:52:41 I literally wrote that Mar 01 18:52:45 In 2 minutes Mar 01 18:52:49 Off the top of my head Mar 01 18:52:52 nobody reads those, and that text would be on your service even if you weren't guaranteeing those things :/ Mar 01 18:53:07 Half the time people pay no heed to the description Mar 01 18:53:10 Divinite:) please don't be defensive. Mar 01 18:53:14 If you want to see things that are not there Mar 01 18:53:21 It is not my problem Mar 01 18:53:37 Divinite:) If you're the proprietor of the service, it IS your problem. Solely. Mar 01 18:53:38 * `\ (~user@cryto-A6766B2C.direct-adsl.nl) has joined #cryto Mar 01 18:53:43 <`\> if it matters so little Mar 01 18:53:45 <`\> then remove the claims Mar 01 18:53:46 Great. Another ignore Mar 01 18:53:47 <`\> from the description Mar 01 18:54:35 how are people supposed to trust a service provided by someone that will ignore people that point out problems with said service and its safety? Mar 01 18:54:36 lady-3jane: Users will be responsible Mar 01 18:54:41 for their own security Mar 01 18:54:59 Why? Mar 01 18:55:17 Because this thing Mar 01 18:55:20 you are sitting at Mar 01 18:55:23 is called a computer